"Cynical" (cynicalasspootalker)
02/15/2014 at 10:07 • Filed to: None
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"Cynical" (cynicalasspootalker)
02/15/2014 at 10:07 • Filed to: None | 0
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Reading Jalopnik these days may leave you thinking that the Tesla Model S is the only car to ever catch fire. That is not the case! In fact, it is so common, in-car fire extinguishers are sold as common safety equipment, even for regular passenger cars. !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!!
Here are some other car manufacturers that have had to recall cars over fire concerns. And most of them have been building these things for 50 years or more!
And that was just the first couple of links from the google search! So, calm down everyone. Electric cars are coming to make the world better. Try not to wet yourselves.
CPT Speedbump
> Cynical
02/15/2014 at 10:16 |
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How exactly are they making the world better? Having to mine alot more for batteries isnt any better for the enviroment then normal cars, and it's just another car that's killing off the manual transmission (witch is a bad thing).
153624 - Straight Six
> CPT Speedbump
02/15/2014 at 10:27 |
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Not only is there the extra waste from batteries, but the electricity has to be generated somewhere, and then travel hundreds of kilometres.
In many places of the world coal is still used as a primary energy source. 45% of US energy comes from coal, and only 10% from hydro/renewable. If you consider nuclear among than, then that group still only produces 30%.
To be fair though, Ontario (where I live) produces over half of its energy from nuclear... And Quebec produces 96% of its energy from hydro (wtf?) making electric cars where I live more of a realistic technology.
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CPT Speedbump
> 153624 - Straight Six
02/15/2014 at 10:30 |
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Also batteries die..for good at some point, and I'm 90 percent sure, car companies won't be nice about prices, so after 4 years, you'll be forced to pay..probably almost the cars full value for new batteries, or just get a new car.
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153624 - Straight Six
> CPT Speedbump
02/15/2014 at 10:35 |
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You're right. I also hadn't realized that car manufacturers will essentially have a monopoly on battery replacements for their cars. Those won't be cheap.
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Cynical
> CPT Speedbump
02/15/2014 at 10:39 |
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Troll on...
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Cynical
> 153624 - Straight Six
02/15/2014 at 10:41 |
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Enjoy your horse and buggy.
Crocket Bernet
> Cynical
02/15/2014 at 10:44 |
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How is that trolling those are all valid points. In many ways electric cars are just as bad or worse for the enviroment.
Jayhawk Jake
> 153624 - Straight Six
02/15/2014 at 10:46 |
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This is what pisses me off the most about environmentalists: they are so god damn short sighted.
There's a mentality that electric cars will help the environment, but it stops there. People seem to think that if you flipped a switch and everyone drove electric cars the world would be saved, but it's just not true.
Burning coal or natural gas for energy really isn't all that clean. Natural gas is better than coal, but coal is still the most popular and produces a ton of pollution both from mining and actually burning the stuff.
The easy solution is to switch to clean energy, right? Solar is pretty inefficient, but it seems to be okay in the minds of most people. Wind works well, but according to these idiots wind turbines are ugly and kill birds. Nuclear is perfect, it's clean and efficient, but people are afraid of it.
I just want someone to step up on the world stage and say automobiles aren't the problem, it's how we generate electricity and produce products, and we should shift our focus to improving that rather than trying to force everyone to drive electric cars
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Crocket Bernet
> Cynical
02/15/2014 at 10:46 |
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You must be new here everybody knows a Ferraris natural state is on fire.
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Cynical
> Crocket Bernet
02/15/2014 at 10:54 |
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There is no research, just a bunch of meaningless numbers plastered here. None of the people in this thread have a clue about this. All it takes is a little google search, it's all on the first page. I know that the energy companies make a ton of money off of it, but it works out badly for the rest of us. But, don't take my word for it:
Cheap Alternative Energy Reality
These people are trying to say that because resources must be used, that it is not a better, more efficient use. They are wrong. Every product on the market today requires the use of scarce resources. That is unavoidable. However, the reality is that the impact of electric cars compared with that of ICE engine cars overall is far less. This in terms of cost, availability, environmental harm, societal issues, and pretty much any metric you want to set it against. Fact is, none of the people disparaging electric cars has any clue what they are talking about. They are just afraid or upset. Don't worry. We will see a brighter future despite them.
Mikeado
> Cynical
02/15/2014 at 10:56 |
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You must be fairly new here. Supercar fires are reported on here so often that burning Ferraris were a (thankfully-dying) meme/running joke for a while.
thebigbossyboss
> 153624 - Straight Six
02/15/2014 at 10:57 |
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Quebec has huge dams in the middle of freaking nowhere. I mean like 700 kms from the nearest town.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Tai…
ihm96
> Cynical
02/15/2014 at 11:10 |
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To be fair, they may have done actual research, and your research is just a quick google search. You are quick to just trivialize their arguments by calling them a troll, when really you could ask what research do you have, and then if they couldn't show any then you would be clearly correct, but immediately calling people trolls starts arguments tht are unproductive and pointless
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Crocket Bernet
> Cynical
02/15/2014 at 11:13 |
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Honestly not sure what your point is trying to force feed an electric car agenda to us on a car forum. If it is a good car we will like it, doesn't matter if it is gas powered, electric or even if it runs on steam. I think most of us here will agree that the Model S is a good car, but that doesnt mean I'm going to trade my BMW in for one. It all comes down to what you want and for those who want a very nice appliance the Tesla is the way to go, but I for one really enjoy the sound of a straight six while I'm driving around on country roads.
Skif6996
> Cynical
02/15/2014 at 11:15 |
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Hey, first rule of OPPO is to not be a dick. Calling people trolls because they disagree with you or telling them to enjoy riding a horse is not cool. Obviously we all love vehicles here. Most of us can appreciate almost all vehicles, whether they run on petrol, electricity, or CNG.
You can't expect to put up a rather aggressive and confrontational post and get no confrontation. Relax guy.
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Skif6996
> Cynical
02/15/2014 at 11:18 |
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B.T.Dubs... General Motors and Chevrolet are one in the same.
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> Cynical
02/15/2014 at 12:28 |
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Hard to be trolling with facts O.o
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CPT Speedbump
> Cynical
02/15/2014 at 12:32 |
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And how do you get meaningless numbers?....research..so you just made a valid point, then debunked your own valid point all in one go, and you had nothing to say to the fact the battery's will not last near as long as the life of a petrol car, and to the veryyy possible fact that they might end up costing just as much as the car itself to replace. I like the Tesla S, but in no way shape or form do I think electric cars will catch on, once people realize that battery's will eventually shit out on them, it'll probably scare people away from buying another. I love the LaFerrari, 918, and P1 as well, but imagine how much Ferrari, Porsche, and McLaren battery's will cost to replace? Not something even someone with that kind of money probably wants to hear about having to rebuy.
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153624 - Straight Six
> Cynical
02/15/2014 at 13:14 |
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The article on the true price of oil raises valid points, such as the military cost of oil. However, the money spent on the American military is not money down the drain. The majority of American defense contractors are American – meaning that the US military directly stimulates the American economy. Is this a good thing? Not necessarily, but it is the reality. The US spends roughly 5% of its GDP on the military industrial complex ( source ). If this entire industry were to evaporate overnight the consequences to the American economy and society would be immense.
For the US, electric cars are currently not a viable technology. In areas with different economic and geographic situations electric cars are a more viable option.
I do not hate electric cars. I think electric cars are really cool, and may be the future of motoring. But currently the infrastructure and technology needed for global widespread electric car adoption is simply not there.
Axial
> Cynical
02/15/2014 at 13:53 |
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Nuuuuuuuu, not a 599!
Kickplate
> Cynical
02/15/2014 at 16:21 |
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Chevrolet AND General Motors? Oh Nos!!!!